January 11, 2005
Elevator Association of Florida Meeting Minutes
Gainesville
Meeting Minutes
- Approval of October meeting minutes.
- Approval of Agenda.
- Introduction of meeting attendees – (33 members and guests were in
attendance).
- Treasure Report – Good financial condition.
- Condolences were given to Ron Therriault, whose
daughter Tracy, office manager for Jacksonville Elevator Inspections,
passed away in an auto accident in December.
It was also noted that Fred Sweetman and Bobby Schoen
were both in the hospital last month and are now recovering.
- Dues are now due for 2005, only those members paid up
will be allowed to vote in today’s elections and business motions (We
have 25 paid up members and 33 unpaid).
- Hub Williams –
Bureau of Elevator Safety:
o Presented
"New" Elevator Inspection Report – Reviewed the proper way to complete
the form to avoid false readings/ incorrect data. – Do not use new
coding and new forms until notified by Bureau.
o Presented
"New" Temporary Construction Operation & Temporary Certificate of
Operation.
o Reviewed
Electric Elevator check list for inspection.
o Reviewed the
States "coding" system for violations and referenced them to the A17.2
Violation Check List. E= Electric/ H Hydraulic, 1 = Inside of Car, 2 =
M/R, 3 = Top of Car, 4 = Outside H/W, 5 = Pit, 6 = Fire Service, next
three digits based on item number on inspection checklist, last letter
indicates which rule applies for that violation.
- Issue of Affidavits of Compliance / completion of repairs:
o Discussion
on the validity of Affidavits as a means of clearing violations.
o Lee Rigby
discussed possible responsibilities of Elevator Inspection companies
on validation of corrective measures.
o Questions
and discussion concerning the validity of Affidavits and whether clean
inspection reports should be required as a means of clearing
violations.
- Bill Strawn –
NAESA –After selection of new Executive
Director (Dotty Stanlowski from the State of Washington), the President
of the Association announced that the office would be moved to the State
of Washington. The executive committee has also proceeded with filling
committee vacancies with members that were just voted out of office
without notifying the membership of the availability of the positions.
Both of these decisions were made without input from the Board of
Directors.
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- Howard Hochrad of Mooncell – LED Lighting (www.mooncell.com)
o Demonstrated his bayonet and screw based LED products for cab
lighting.
- Election of Board of Directors - YOUR NEW BOARD:
o Tom Waardenburg, Lee Rigby, Mel Rynearson, Bob Szelc and Allen
Hutto.
- New Business - By-law modifications:
o Amending the By-laws to allow for a " Majority of attending
Members" at an advertised meeting in order to modify them. The
bylaws will then be altered at a rate of one or two articles per
meeting to bring them up to current conditions.
o Approved motion to send out a letter ballot for changes to the
by-laws as noted above.
o Approved a motion to send a plaque to Mary at the Bureau to
extend our appreciation for her service to the industry.
o Need to form a Legislative Action Committee.
o July meeting to be in Ft Lauderdale area, Mel Rynearson
volunteered to find location.
- Cathy White –
Bureau of Elevator Safety
o Question/ Answer period
Five questions were submitted and the questions and Ms. White’s
answers are attached.
• 2000 code will be effective July 01, 2005
• New inspection forms are under testing and will not be
required until satisfactory processing of test form. If you received
the new forms, do not use them and inform the Bureau.
•
TAC Members – Timothy G. Newton, Sr.; Tim Mowrey, Sr., Chris Garick, Laura McLeod; John Antona; Chris Prather; Charles Waters;
Private Inspector (vacant)
•
State Fire Marshal to meet on January 31 in Orlando. For a
copy of the Fire Marshal agenda contact Millicent King 850/
413-3619.
NOTE:
Next meeting in Sarasota on April 12,2005:
Holiday Inn Marina Airport (ask for Elevator Association
of Florida rate)
7150 N. Tamiami Trail Sarasota, FL 34243
Web site: HiSarasotaBradenton.com
941.552.2315 Fax: 941.355.4149
Questions for the
Bureau of Elevator Safety and the
Bureau’s answers
from the January 2005 Elevator Association of Florida
meeting:
Question 1:
If a control manufacturer installs his designed control
system in an elevator and 15 years later tells the Bureau that the control
has been changed without a permit, in spite of the outward appearance,
what is the result?
The Controller - A device or group of devices, which
serves to control in a predeterminate manner that to which it is
connected.
The ASME A17.1 code speaks to devices and not programs in
Section 1200.
If the replacement program performs in the exact
predeterminate manner as the original devices program, no alteration
permit is needed.
It would be the original manufactures responsibility to
provide proof that the replacement program does not perform identically.
If this were proven, an alteration permit would be required and would then
require a Certified Elevator Inspector to inspect and make sure that the
unit is code compliant.
Question 2:
a) We were told by
Broward County that we did not have to have a
pressure test on a two stop hydraulic wheelchair lift, but I have been
told before by other representatives of the State that we do have to do
that test and have it witnessed by a QEI. Which is correct?
The periodic tests required by Section 10.3 of ASME A18.1
(1999) should be witnessed as required by Section 10.1.2.3.
b) If the pressure test is required, how does the
State differentiate between hydraulic wheelchair lifts and those that are
screw driven, as all wheelchair lifts are lumped into category 18 -
Inclined and Vertical Wheelchair Lifts.
Section 10.2 and 10.3 of ASME A18 addresses the test
requirements for hydraulic and screw drive wheelchair lifts.
Question 3:
My 3rd party elevator inspectors says I still need to
have my elevators "witnessed" every year even though they are two stop
hydraulic units and under a full maintenance contract. Please clarify this
once and for all. The 399.061 code states that (routine) inspections are
not required (2 stop units) as long as they remain under a full service
contract. The A17 code does not use the term "Witnessing" although the
term is commonly used to refer to the "Rule 1002.2 1-year Inspection and
Test requirements". Additionally, the Bureau’s Industry Information
Bulletin (No. 2001-08 October 22, 2001) states in paragraph five that "all
conveyances maintained under a continuous service contract must be inspected once every two years by a
Certified Elevator Inspector", - then Bulletin (N0. 2000-06 November 7,
2000) adds the sentence excluding two stop elevators covered by a service
contract from any inspections. Please clarify.
Periodic tests are required to be performed by the
registered elevator company as a part of its full maintenance contract (FAC
61C-5.013(1)(b).
A written record of the results is required to be
maintained in the elevator equipment room (FAC 61C-5.013(1)(d).
Question 4:
I have several elevators that are no longer in use. I
would like to save some money and not purchase the Certificate of
Operation or have the units inspected until such time that the elevators
are needed (may be several years). What is the proper way to remove these
units from service? It makes no sense to put them into Temporary Dormant
status as this still requires an annual inspection and a C/O. What is the
purpose of Temporary Dormant? The description (Chapter 399.01(13)) states
the dormant status can be renewed on an annual basis for up to five years.
Why would an owner want this status if it still requires a C/O and annual
inspections plus adds the requirement that the dormant status "seal" can
only be removed with permission of the elevator inspector? If it is not
intended for owners’ use, then why the sentence about renewing the status?
The proper way to remove elevators from service is
outlined in ASME A17.1, Section 3 (page 9) "Installation placed out of
service".
Due to the fact that the majority of elevators are taken
out of service (sealed) at the owners request and not because of a safety
issue, the Bureau currently places a seal on the main line disconnect
which allows the elevator to be sealed and unsealed. The Bureau visits the
site on an annual basis to determine that the seal is still intact. No
certificate fee is assessed after "seal" status is logged into our
database.
Question 5:
Regarding testing and witnessing the fire alarm and shunt
trip (heat detector) devices as they interact with the elevators, I would
like to hire an elevator inspector to witness the testing of all devices
at the beginning of the year. This is more convenient as I must coordinate
this testing with our fire alarm company. Later, when the actual
inspection/witnessing becomes due for the elevators (they are scheduled
throughout year) the elevator inspector will have to rely on a test that
was performed months prior. It will most likely not be the same elevator
inspector witnessing the fire alarm devices as witnessing the elevator
tests. Is it permissible to use two different elevator inspectors where
one inspector must accept the witnessing (of fire alarm testing) of the
other inspector? If inspector "A" witnesses the fire alarm test and signs
off that the test passed – can inspector "B" refuse to pass the elevator
inspection without personally witnessing all tests (i.e. the fire alarm
portion)?
As long as periodic tests do not exceed 365 days and a
written record of these tests are maintained in the elevator equipment
room (FAC 61C-5.013(1)(d) multiple certified elevator inspectors may be
used.
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